VW in big troubles

[Nico 5]

Isn't it looking bad for VW? I mean, really really bad?

 

Summing it up:

- half a million of cars to recall and modify in the US, and a fine of potentially USD 18 billions

- 11 million cars in the world in potential need of recall

- potential fines from other countries than the US?

- stock price down by nearly 40% in only 2 days

- reputation tarnished for long years

[Nico 5]

BTW, anyone knows how the software operates to detect emission tests? 

 

Edit: All I found is this diagram:

 

Edited September 22, 2015 by Nico

[GTV-TB 315]

BTW, anyone knows how the software operates to detect emission tests? 

 

The only thing I can think of is that ECM registering an engine that are revving but the car does not move.

[GTV-TB 315]

Isn't it looking bad for VW? I mean, really really bad?

 

Summing it up:

- half a million of cars to recall and modify in the US, and a fine of potentially USD 18 billions

- 11 million cars in the world in potential need of recall

- potential fines from other countries than the US?

- stock price down by nearly 40% in only 2 days

- reputation tarnished for long years

Wonder if they are still interested in buying Alfa Romeo with a cash flow like that out of their business.

[GTV-TB 315]

Emissions Test

 

 

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[moskovsky 13]

But don't you think all car manufacturers cheat on some level because current emissions standards are almost impossible to comply with  

[Nico 5]

Emissions Test

 

 

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This video would have been even funnier if the jack had failed   

[GTV-TB 315]

But don't you think all car manufacturers cheat on some level because current emissions standards are almost impossible to comply with

You are probably right, but Alfa is at least not afraid to show what is farting out of the tailpipe.

[GTV-TB 315]

This video would have been even funnier if the jack had failed   

Morbid?

[Nico 5]

Morbid?

 

Nah, just sometimes I'm shacking my head in disbelief 

[Paso 239]

The interesting part is yet coming - because if they modify software on existing cars to meet the standard, they must loose some power. So, if someone bought a cars with, let's say, 150 hp, after that recall and upgrade they'll probably have just 135 hp. So, this is a fraud on that level and buyers can sue VW for false specifications of cars, and so on...

[Nico 5]

Well, there are other issues as well.

One is that VW benefited in various countries from subsidies for 'clean cars' - and/or cuts on taxes for 'low emissions'. All those countries will probably want to get that money back.

Another strange thing is that VW claims now that 'less than 10 people' were aware of this part of the code. Who's going to believe that? I can't imagine how that's possible. In 6 years between 2009 an 2015, there's been quite a few programmers and managers who must have noticed something...

Edited October 18, 2015 by Nico

[moskovsky 13]

 

 

 

Another strange thing is that VW claims now that 'less than 10 people' were aware of this part of the code. Who's going to believe that? I can't imagine how that's possible. In 6 years between 2009 an 2015, there's been quite a few programmers and managers who must have noticed something...

I agree. No engineer or ordinary manager would be allowed to pass this stuff. So department directors are definitely involved in this

Edited October 18, 2015 by moskovsky

[moskovsky 13]

The interesting part is yet coming - because if they modify software on existing cars to meet the standard, they must loose some power. So, if someone bought a cars with, let's say, 150 hp, after that recall and upgrade they'll probably have just 135 hp. So, this is a fraud on that level and buyers can sue VW for false specifications of cars, and so on...

They might get away with that because there's a clause regarding specifications which states that power may vary due to location, weather conditions, altitude and so on. Besides there's a thing called engine wear. So I reckon they might hold on to that if anybody sues them for misrepresentation  

Edited October 18, 2015 by moskovsky